Monday, January 22, 2018

Was Jesus Worshipped as God? by Winthrop Bailey 1822


Was Jesus Worshipped as God? by Winthrop Bailey 1822

While Christ was on earth, many, who came to request favours of him, are said to have worshipped him. This circumstance has been considered a decisive proof, that he was God, in as much as he accepted this worship. It would be easy to show, that the original word is used to denote, not only religious worship, but that homage or respect, which men pay to their superiors. I shall mention a few of the many examples, which might be produced to confirm this latter sense of the term. “And Abraham stood up, and bowed himself to (worshipped) the people of the land.’ (Gen. xxiii. 7. 12. “And Moses went out to meet his father-in-law, and did obeisance’—(worshipped him.) (Ex. xviii. 7.) “Judah, thy father's children shall bow down before thee'-(worship thee.) (Gen. xlix. 8.) “A man came out of the camp from Saul, and when he came to David, he fell to the earth, and did obeisance’—(worshipped him.) (II. Sam. i. 2.) “And all the king's servants, that were in the king's gates, bowed and reverenced (worshipped) Haman.” (Est. iii. 2.). Those, who are not acquainted with the original, may see, by these examples, the weakness of the argument above alluded to, in favour of the supreme divinity of Christ. It is an argument only in sound. It results entirely from the want of uniformity in the translation of the word in question. No one supposes, that David or Haman, or the others, mentioned in the preceding quotations, were regarded as objects of religious worship. And there is as little reason to suppose, that those, who came to Christ, and worshipped him, or rather did him homage, or obeisance, regarded him as an object of religious veneration, or could justly be charged with idolatry, if he were not the supreme God. It was as proper for him to receive this worship, homage, or respect; as it was for David to receive the same. When therefore, we are told, that Christ was worshipped while on earth; it is sufficient to reply, that, in the strict and proper sense of the term, he was not worshipped. In reference to this term, Dr. Campbell has the following note. ‘The homage of prostration, which is signified by this Greek word, in sacred authors, and well as in profane, was throughout all Asia, commonly paid to kings and other superiors, both by Jews and by Pagans. It was paid by Moses to his father-in-law, called in the English translation obeisance. The instances of this application are so numerous, both in the Old Testament, and in the New, as to render more quotations unnecessary.” [Campbell's Note on Matth. ii. 2, See also Schleus, in voc. PROSKUNEO.]

The foregoing remarks on the import of the word, rendered worship, furnish a sufficient explanation of the following passage, (Heb. i. 6.) which is often quoted to prove the supreme deity of Jesus Christ. 'And let all the angels of God worship him.’ According to what has been already said, this clause can only prove, that the angels, whether human or celestial messengers, were to regard ‘the first begotten,' as their superior; and to pay him the customary homage due to such. To this interpretation we are also led by the connexion of the words; as it seems to be the principal design of the writer in this chapter to show the superiority of the Son to the angels. But would it not be as singular, as it is needless, for any writer to enter into a formal proof of the preeminence of the eternal God over his creatures through the whole passage, God and the Son are represented as two distinct beings, as plainly as language can convey this idea. Besides, the clause in question, contains no intimation, that the angels were to worship Christ as the supreme God. Would it be consistent with reason or scripture, to suppose that God is ‘the first begotten?'— By comparing the clause under discussion, as the apostle has applied it, with the ninety-seventh Psalm, from which it is quoted, some have inferred, that Christ is the Lord, or Jehovah there spoken of. But this is far from being a conclusive mode of reasoning. Passages, which in the Old Testament relate to particular individuals, or objects, are sometimes applied to others by the writers of the New. Thus the words in the preceding verse of this chapter, “I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son,” related originally to Solomon. They were however equally true respecting Christ, to whom the apostle applies them. To prove that those, who preach the gospel, are justly entitled to be supported by those, who have the benefit of their labours, St. Paul quoted the following words;– Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox, that treadeth out the corn.” That this was their original design or application, no one will suppose. To the return of Christ from Egypt, St. Matthew applies a passage, which referred to the deliverance of the Israelites from Egypt by Moses. (Matth. ii. 15. Hosea xi. 1.) In the prophet, the passage is: 'When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.' The words of the apostle are: ‘That it might be fulfilled, which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.' Notwithstanding this, it is evident, that the ‘son’ mentioned by the apostle, is not the same with the ‘son’ mentioned by the prophet. These examples show, that, when the apostle said “Let all the angels of God worship him; he did not necessarily refer to the same Being, of whom the Psalmist spake, when he said, ‘Worship him all ye gods.’ The Psalm seems to relate to the introduction of the gospel, or to the period, when the kingdom or reign of heaven was to be established; and as God was then to 'set his King upon his holy hill of Zion,’ a command to worship God necessarily included a command to do homage to his Son; or to honour him in that high station, to which he was exalted. To say, therefore, ‘Worship Jehovah, all ye gods,” was in effect to say; ‘Worship the Son, all ye messengers of God.” As Saul of Tarsus persecuted Jesus, when he persecuted the disciples; so the angels or gods honoured Jehovah, when they honoured his Son. (Acts ix. 1. 5.)

There are several passages in the Revelation, which are supposed to prove, that Christ is worshipped as the Supreme God. St. John heard “every creature, which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him, that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever, and ever.” Here we are told, that the Lamb is united with him that sitteth upon the throne, as an object of worship; and that the same ascription of praise belongs to both. But is not the Lamb represented as a distinct being from him, who sitteth on the throne;— and is it not evident, that the latter is supreme In a preceding verse, the reason for this ascription to the Lamb seems to be suggested. “Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof; for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood.” (Rev. v. 9.) If this were the reason of his being worthy to take the book, and to open the seals; it does not appear probable, that a higher reason existed for his receiving the other honour. Nothing conclusive can be inferred from the application of the same language to God, and to the Lamb. This circumstance does not prove their equality. We find the same language, which is applied to Christ, applied also to his disciples. Of him who is ‘called, the Word of God,' it is said, that ‘he shall rule the nations with a rod of iron.' (Rev. xix. 15.) ‘To him that overcometh,' said Christ, 'will I give power over the nations; and he shall rule them with a rod of iron.' (ii. 26, 27.) Why may we not as well infer, that their power is equal to his; as, in the other case, that his honour is equal to that of God? Is Christ represented as receiving blessing, honour, and glory, with God? So are saints represented as living and reigning with Christ; as sitting on the throne with him, as he sits on the throne with the Father. If there be no equality in the one instance, I see not, that there is in the other.

The circumstance that both are mentioned in the same connexion, is no evidence that both are equally worshipped. This is confirmed by the following examples. “And all the congregation blessed the Lord God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the Lord and the king.” (I. Chron. xxix. 20.) Here Jehovah and David are connected as objects of worship, in the same way, as God and the Lamb are connected in the passages under consideration. Had these words been found in the New Testament, with the name Christ instead of the king, it is needless to say, how they would be applied by Trinitarians.— We should have been told of the inconsistency, nay the idolatry, of uniting a creature with the Creator, in the same act of worship. The passage now shows, how we are to estimate this kind of argument. It proceeds on a wrong supposition; viz. that both of the persons, mentioned, must be equally objects of worship.– When the congregation worshipped Jehovah and David, they doubtless worshipped each according to his character; the first, as God, the second, as king of Israel. Both were worthy of honour; but in unequal degrees. So, when blessing, honour, &c. are ascribed to him that sitteth on the throne, and to the Lamb; the nature of the case, and the description, given of the two, show, as in the other instance, that only one of them is worshipped as the supreme God. The language here no more proves the Lamb to be equal, or equally worshipped, with him, who sitteth on the throne; than, in the other case, it proves David to be equal, or equally worshipped, with the Lord. Our Saviour said, ‘Whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.” (Luke ix. 26.) Had the last clause been;– when he shall come in his own glory and of the Father, and of the holy Spirit;’—we should probably have been told, that the glory of the three is the same, and therefore that the three must be equal; and, further, that it is inconsistent to mention the glory of a creature in connexion with that of the supreme God. The passage however entirely refutes this mode of reasoning; and shows, from the very best authority, that the glory of creatures may be mentioned in the same connexion with that of the Creator, without any design of representing them to be equal. St. Paul said, (I. Tim. v. 21.) “I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels.” Had this passage been read;–'I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the holy Spirit; it would doubtless have been regarded as a proof of the Trinity; on the ground, that, in the most solemn charge, which can be given to man, a created being could not consistently be united with the supreme God. Perhaps it would have been considered an act of worship to the three persons in the divine nature; and as an instance of the equal glory, which they receive. Of ‘him that overcometh, Christ said, ‘I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, and my new name.' (Rev. iii. 12.) Though this is never thought to prove the supreme divinity of ‘him that overcometh; yet, the angel, who is supposed to be Christ, is thought by many to possess essential deity, because God said, 'My name is in him.’ (Ex. xxiii. 21.) Why is an inference drawn in the latter case, which, as every one knows, cannot be drawn in the other?

It is often intimated, that, if Christ be not, in the highest sense, God, the honour, which the scriptures require us to ascribe to him is inconsistent with the worship, which is due to God alone. But, after what has been already said, it is sufficient to reply, that the scriptures do not require us to honour or worship him, as the supreme God; and that it is undoubtedly right to honour him and others, according to the characters, which they sustain. To do this in obedience to the command of God, is far from dishonouring him. Christ, whom we are required to own, and to revere, as the one Lord, and the one Mediator, instead of being the ultimate object of worship, is himself a worshipper of the Father; and in this respect is like all other created beings. It will not be doubted, that, while he was on earth, he was in the habit of worshipping his Father and his God. Nor can we well suppose, that his relation to the great Father of all was changed, when he was received to heaven; when ‘God highly exalted him, and gave him a name, which is above every' other, given to creatures. The honour, which he has received, is not inconsistent with his adoring and worshipping the great Supreme. 'All things' are indeed put 'under his feet.' But the period is approaching, when he will 'deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father.’ ‘Then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him, that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”


Sunday, January 21, 2018

Answering Questions on "the First and the Last."


Question: Let's move along to Rev l:4 it speaks of the one who is, and who was and who is coming.  Now read verse 8.  I am the Alpha and the Omega says Jehovah God "the one who is and who was and who is coming the Almighty."  Now back up to verse 7 and it says he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him.
Who pierced the Almighty?  In verse 17,18 reads I am the first and the last, verse l8 and the living one, and I became dead.  So this is Jesus.  Could this explain the one "who was" in verse 8?  So let's get this straight Jehovah is the Alpha & Omega (I know you know what that means), and Jesus is the First and last in ver 17,18.
Who is speaking in Rev 22:14?
You know now that I'm thinking about it you have two of everything else you might as well have two first and last!!

Reply: Well, let us take a closer look at this.
In verse 4, we have John talking, until verse 7, which ends with "Amen."
Verse 7 refers to Jesus, and it ends with "Amen."
Verse 8 we have the Lord God talking, but then, in verse 9, it starts off with John talking again.
To confuse things even further, all this was sent via an angel. (Rev 1:1).
Jesus is "the first and the last" with reference to his death and resurrection."
All references to Jesus as being the "first and the last" have this limitation. Let us take a look?  "I am the first and the last, and the Living one; and I was dead" Rev 1:17,18 (Actually, one of the oldest manuscripts that we have (A) has the word "firstborn" here.
"These things saith the first and the last, who was dead, and lived [again]" Rev. 2:8
"Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead" Rev 1:5 See also Romans 14:9 and Col 1:18.

Question: Just a few more questions.  In verse 3 it reads, "But the throne of God (Jehovah), and of the lamb (Jesus) will be in the city and his slaves will render him sacred service.  Ver 4 and they will see his face.
Should this have read their throne, and see their faces?  According to previous passages both are coming (ver 12,13 & Jesus in ver 20)  According to Matt 25:31 the son of man arrives in his glory (Isaiah 42:9) and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.  Now back in Rev. 22:3 it reads, "the throne of God"
Do we now have two thrones?So back to Rev 22:3,4
Who is on the throne?  Now verse 4 and they will see his face, and his name (singular)  will be on their foreheads.  Well guess what?  Read Rev l4:l now you've got two names on one forehead!!!  Unless......they are the same God.

Reply: Rev 22:3 actually mentions THREE different parties, God, the Lamb, and the servants. When the name is mentioned, we can exclude the other 2. as it is definitely the Lord God that is the referent (see verse 5), which is a term (i.e. Lord God) never used of Christ (the Lamb) or his slaves (servants).
Do we have 2 thrones? Yes we do. Remember that the Jewish kings sat on Jehovah's throne (1 Chron 29:23) and that Jesus would be at God's right hand, "thus he is made second in authority to God himself." Footnote at Ps 110:1 NIV Study Bible
Jesus gets his glory from the Father (John 1:14), and we share in that glory (John 17:22), but are to acknowledge that "Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Everything eventually comes back to the Father.

Remember too that Jesus, God's agent, his hands the kingdom BACK to God the Father (1 Cor 15:24) so in this way, we can speak of both of them as coming.

Jesus, as agent, represents God in such a way that he hold a functional equality with him.

"The main point of the Jewish law of agency is expressed in the dictum, "A person's agent is regarded as the person himself. Therefore any act committed by a duly appointed agent is regarded as having been committed by the principle."
The Encyclopedia of the Jewish Religion, R.J.Z. Werblowski and Geoffrey Wigoder

Question? Why is it that the person of the holy spirit is never pictured in the visions of heaven?

Question: One last question
Did you know that Jesus and Jehovah have their own individual angel Rev 22:6,l6?

Reply: So does Satan (Rev 12:9) and Michael (Rev 12:7). Angel simply means "messenger."
Why does the person of the holy spirit not have any of his own individual angels?

Wednesday, January 10, 2018

The First Unitarian in America by George W Cooke 1902

The First Unitarian in American by George W Cooke 1902

Dr. Jonathan Mayhew accepted without equivocation the right of private judgment in religion, and he practised it judicially and with wise insight. He unhesitatingly applied the rational method to all theological problems, and to him reason was the final court of appeal for everything connected with religion. His love of freedom was enthusiastic and persistent, and he was zealously committed to the principle of individuality. He believed in the essential goodness of human nature, and in the doctrine of the Divine Unity. He was the first outspoken Unitarian in New England, not merely because he rejected the doctrine of the Trinity, but because he accepted all the cardinal principles developed by that movement since his day. He was a rationalist, an individualist, a defender of personal freedom, and tested religious practices by the standard of common sense. His sermons were plain, direct, vigorous, and modern. A truly religious man, Mayhew taught a practical and humanitarian religion, genuinely ethical, and faithful in inculcating the motive of civic duty.

Dr. Mayhew's words may be quoted in regard to some of the religious beliefs commonly accepted in his day. "The doctrine of a total ignorance and incapacity to judge of moral and religious truths brought upon mankind by the disobedience of our first parents," he wrote, "is without foundation." "I hope it appears," he says, "that the love of God and of our neighbor, that sincere piety of heart, and a righteous, holy and charitable life, are the weightier matters of the gospel, as well as of the law." "Although Christianity cannot," he asserts, "with any propriety or justice be said to be the same with natural religion, or merely a republication of the laws of nature, yet the principal, the most important and fundamental duties required by Christianity are, nevertheless, the same which were enjoined under the legal dispensation of Moses, and the same which are dictated by the light of nature." His great love of intellectual and spiritual freedom finds utterance in such a statement as this: "Nor has any order or body of men authority to enjoin any particular article of faith, nor the use of any modes of worship not expressly pointed out in the Scriptures; nor has the enjoining of such articles a tendency to preserve the peace and harmony of the church, but directly the contrary." Such sentences as the following are frequent on Mayhew's pages, and they show clearly the trend of his mind: "Free examination, weighing arguments for and against with care and impartiality, is the way to find truth." "True religion flourishes the more, the more people exercise their right of private judgment." "There is nothing more foolish and superstitious than a veneration for ancient creeds and doctrines as such, and nothing is more unworthy a reasonable creature than to value principles by their age, as some men do their wines."

Mayhew insisted upon the strict unity of God, "who is without rival or competitor." "The dominion and sovereignty of the universe is necessarily one and in one, the only living and true God, who delegates such measures of power and authority to other beings as seemeth good in his sight." He declared that the not preserving of such unity and supremacy of God on the part of Christians "has long been just matter of reproach to them"; and he said the authority of Christ is always "exercised in subordination to God's will." His position was that "the faith of Christians does not terminate in Christ as the ultimate object of it, but it is extended through him to the one God." The very idea of a mediator implies subordination as essential to it. His biographer says he did not accept the notion of vicarious suffering, and, that he was an Arian in his views of the nature of Christ. "He was the first clergyman in New England who expressly and openly opposed the scholastic doctrine of the Trinity. Several others declined pressing the Athanasian Creed, and believed strictly in the unity of God. They also probably found it difficult to explain their views on the subject, and the great danger of losing their good name served to prevent their speaking out. But Dr. Mayhew did not conceal or disguise his sentiments on this point any more than on others, such as the peculiar tenets of Calvinism. He explicitly and boldly declared the doctrine irrational, unscriptural, and directly contradictory." He taught the strict unity of God as early as 1753, "in the most unequivocal and plain manner, in his sermons of that year." What most excited comment and objection was that, in a foot-note to the volume of his sermons published in 1755, Mayhew said that a Catholic Council had elevated the Virgin Mary to the position of a fourth person in the Godhead, and added, by way of comment: "Neither Papists nor Protestants should imagine that they will be understood by others if they do not understand themselves. Nor should they think that nonsense and contradictions can ever be too sacred to be ridiculous." The ridicule here was not directed against the doctrine of the Trinity, as has been maintained, but the foolish defences of it made by men who accepted its "mysteries" as too wonderful for reason to deal with in a serious manner. This boldness of comment on the part of Mayhew was in harmony with his strong disapproval of creed-making in all its forms. He condemned creeds because they set up "human tests of orthodoxy instead of the infallible word of God, and make other terms of Christian communion than those explicitly pointed out by the Gospel."

Dr. Mayhew was succeeded in the West Church by Rev. Simeon Howard in 1767, who, though he was received in a more friendly spirit by the ministers of the town, was not less radical in his theology than his predecessor. Dr. Howard was both an Arminian and an Arian, and he was "a believer neither in the Trinity, nor in the divine predestination of total depravity, and necessary ruin to any human soul." He was of a gentle and conciliatory temper, but his preaching was quite as thorough-going in its intellectual earnestness as was Dr. Mayhew's.

Monday, January 8, 2018

Revisiting Monogenes Theos and "Only-begotten."


In response online to the usual downplaying of monogenes theos (MONOGENHS QEOS, traditionally "only-begotten") as relating to birth and generation, I posted:

 In the N.T., monogenes is used in a filial way, one that is used for offspring...see Thayers Greek Lexicon & BAGD. In fact the BAGD states that it could be analogous to prototokos (firstborn). In view of this, John V. Dahms in his The Johannine Use Of Monogenes Reconsidered NTS 29, 1983, p.231 states: We have examined all of the evidence which has come to our attention concerning the meaning of monogenes in the Johannine writings and have found the majority view of modern scholarship has very little to support it. On the other hand, the external evidence, especially that from Philo, Justin and Tertullian, and the internal evidence from the context of its occurrences, makes clear that 'only begotten' is the most accurate translation after all."

I got this reply: it's interesting that you would quote from John V. Dahms who has been opposed in numerous books from theologians and scholars alike. The fact that Dahms has a theological bias against the Trinity is seen in the propagation of the idea that the Son is eternally subordinate to the Father. In other words, there was no choice in submission. The Father is superior, which causes the Son to be inferior. This is hardly the truth with the Trinity. The Son willingly submits to the Father. There's an order to the Godhead and all three are equal. So naturally because of this theological bias of eternal subordination, Dahms would expound on "monogenes" as being properly interpreted as "only begotten." The majority of scholars disagree with his ideas, since this idea of eternal submission was first propagated by the heretic Arius.

My reply: So your opposition to Dahm's is not his thesis, but that the people you like don't like him. Is there something in his thesis that you could isolate for criticism? I also reject your "The majority of scholars disagree with his ideas" since you have never queried all Greek scholars in existence. (And frankly, what do I care about Dahms' religious views when it is his ideas we should be looking at. It is like saying I shouldn't read a book about Obama if the author is critical of him.)

Question: How do you view this as happening? If the verb means "beget", do they think God has a wife? Do they think God has a womb?

Reply: Abraham did beget Isaac. Does Abraham have a womb? (Yes, Abraham had a wife, but the Bible does not say that Sarah Begat Isaac.)

Question: In Hebrews 11:17 Isaac is called Abraham's "only begotten son" too. But certainly Abraham had more than one son. Something more must being going on here.

Reply:  In Heb 11:17 it is still a filial relationship. There was a time when Isaac was not, and according to Philo he had "begotten no son in the truest sense but Isaac." The Targum (Pseudo-Jonathan) mentions that Isaac is the son of Abraham's wife while the other is the son of the hand-maid, and "the son of the handmaid shall not be genealogized."

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Addendum: There are about 58 proper names in Greek built on the "genes" stem, like Diogenes, which means "born of Zeus" or Hermogenes ("born of Hermes). These are names given by parents to their offspring that represents birth. (See https://www.behindthename.com/names/usage/ancient-greek) There are also words like theogenes which means "born of God." Though there are exceptions, "the word monogenes is used most basically and frequently in contexts having to do with biological offspring." Charles Lee Irons (PhD, Fuller Theological Seminary)

Sunday, January 7, 2018

Puzzles in the Bible By John Q. Boyer

Puzzles in the Bible and History By John Q. Boyer

The mind of man, even from the beginning of the history of the world, has been of a curious turn. History, both sacred and secular, yields numerous instances of how man has tried to outwit man by some enigmatic proposition or perplexing problem.

The Bible furnishes many stories of this kind and the Sacred Book is noted for its connection with matters of hidden thought other than religious. Propounding puzzles was an ancient practice, but the story of Adam attempting to baffle Cain and Abel, his sons, is set down in history as a mere legend. But the title of the "Father of Riddles" goes to Samson. He is recorded as proposing his riddle to the young men of the Philistines, as found in the book of Judges, chapter XIV, and going to the extent of offering a prize of thirty sheets and thirty changes of garments. This was recorded about 3,300 years ago.

King David next appears as a puzzle devotee, and his CXIX Psalm is a type of alphabetical acrostic, known as the Abecedarian Psalm. Then followed the "wisest man in all the earth"—Solomon, the royal son of David.

In the Second Book of Chronicles we read that the Queen of Sheba came to visit Solomon, "to prove him with hard questions." It is noted that fragments of the writings of Dius, the Phoenician historian, inform us that Hiram, King of Tyre, and Solomon had a contest in riddles. Solomon, so the story relates, won a large sum of money, but subsequently lost it to Abdemon, one of Hiram's subjects.

In the early Bible days riddles were proposed at marriage feasts and enigmas were used as a special feature at banquets, all nations of antiquity being fond of the riddle or enigma. The Arabs, the descendants of Ishmael, had their books of riddles, emblems and ingenious devices; and the Chaldees and Persians likewise had their riddles. The soothsayers and astrologers of those ancient races were famous men indeed.

The Hebrews of the Bible deserve special mention. Isaiah and Jeremiah were Judahite puzzlers; Joseph and Daniel dream interpreters. The handwriting on the wall, "Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin," and the parables of the Saviour, are examples of Biblical enigmatism. The last-mentioned parables were forms of enigmas and rank high in puzzle literature. The Jewish Cabalists had their "lesser enigmas," with their references to numbers; while Rev. XIII: 18, with its "number of the beast," is an enigma that has long puzzled the world.

The Jewish rabbis made common use of the device of the arrangement of letters to conceal certain statements, a form of the cryptogram. An example of sacred cabalism is in Isaiah VII: 6, where Tabeal is written for Remaliah, and in Jeremiah XXV: 26, the prophet writes Sheshach for Babel (Babylon). Regarding these occult writings as used by David, Isaiah and Jeremiah, it would appear that secret messages were used even before the time of Samson, the ancient riddle-maker.

The Latin inscription on the cross, I N R I, lends itself to the acrostic, while the anagram is noted as being recognized among the Hebrews. The law as given to Moses was called "Cabbala," and was largely a volume of alphabetical revolution. Certain magical words on the seal of Solomon had weird meaning to the Cabalists. The emblematic acrostic of the Fish, carved on the monuments in the Roman Catacombs to designate the burial-places of Christians, is famous in history.

The hieroglyphs of the Phoenicians and Egyptians are connected with the rebus, and in their most ancient forms were of an alphabetical character. The symbols of the rebus were used in Ephesus as early as 600 B. C, and are mentioned in Acts XIX: 19. Abraxas (Abracax) and Abracadabra are symbols of Persian and Assyrian rebuses, respectively.

The ancient Egyptians held puzzling as a religious rite, the Sphinx being their goddess. They likewise excelled in the riddle, and such was their secret religion that all their priests were riddlers, their religion "one vast enigma."

The mythological riddle of the Grecian Sphinx is a classic: "What is that animal which in the morning goes forth on four feet, at noon on two, and in the evening on three?" The answer is "Man." The famous wise men of Greece exchanged puzzles. Here is the riddle, offered by the fishermen of Ios to Homer, who was "done to death" by the enigma: "What we caught we threw away, what we could not catch we kept," the answer being "Fleas." This is the "sophism" designated by the ancients as "The Liar:" "If you say of yourself, 'I lie,' and in so saying tell the truth, you lie; if you say, 'I lie,' and in so saying tell a lie, you tell the truth." This perplexed Aristotle considerably, and it is said that Philetas, the Grecian grammarian and poet of Cos, puzzled himself to death over his attempt to solve it.

The ancient riddle on "The Year" has three renditions. Cleobulus, one of the Seven Wise Men of Greece, puts it in this way: "A father had twelve children, and each child had thirty sons and daughters, the sons being white and the daughters black, and one of them died every day, and yet became immortal." In a similar manner one "from the East" refers to a tree with twelve branches, each with thirty leaves, black on one side and white on the other. Necbatano, King of Egypt, proposed his to Lycerus, King of Babylon, regarding "a grand temple," with its single column, encircled by twelve cities; each with thirty flying buttresses; each with two women, one white, one black, that go round it in turns.

Riddles are found in the Koran of Muslims, and books of them are anciently known in Arabia and Persia. The peoples of India and China were devotees of the puzzleistic Art, with Brahma and Confucius apostles, respectively. The Egyptian mystics, the Gnostics and the early Fathers were solvers of enigmas. The Grecian oracles furnished many examples of ancient enigmas, consulted upon all important occasions. The oracle of the Thebans foretold the self-destruction of the Sphinx.

In ancient Rome the Mystic Art flourished in Nero's time. Virgil quotes a riddle proposed by Dametas to Menacles, still remaining unsolved. Latin riddles have held attention through many years, Symposius, Aldhelm and Tatwine, Archbishop of Canterbury, being noted authors. Julius Caesar and Augustus made use of the cryptogram, while down to the Council of Nice in 325 secret characters were used, and in the ninth century messages in cipher were known. In the Middle Ages sovereigns kept expert decipherers in their service.

The cipher was used by Napoleon; Louis XVII's reign furnished intricate cryptographs; and Ignatius Donnelly, J. G. Pyle, and Edgar Allan Poe are moderns in the realm of the cryptogram, with De Mille and Verne and Macaulay as writers on the subject. Literature furnishes ample references to similar endeavors.

Down through history the Puzzle Art has lived, with seasons here and there of lulling. During the first centuries of the Christian era puzzling waned, but again there were periods of awakening, notably in the second half of the seventh century, known as the Age of Symposius. With the decline of literature, about the third or fourth century A. D., puzzling also declined. The "Reformation" of Luther marked a check, but did not stop the pastime. In the sixteenth century it again came into general favor and popularity. Shakespeare introduced puzzle references into his plays and Isaac Watts was fond of the mental exercise.

Saturday, January 6, 2018

Tree & Serpent Worship by H. Shepheard 1871


Tree and Serpent Worship by H. Shepheard M.A. 1871

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“IF a line," says Mr. Fergusson, “were drawn from the shores of the Caspian Sea north of the Caucasus to the mouth of the Vistula or Dwina in the Baltic, it would be coincident with one of the oldest routes of communication between the East and the West, and one that probably was the road by which Serpent and Tree-worship were introduced into the North of Europe.”—“At the far end of this route," Procopius tells us that “in his day the barbarians worshipped forests and groves, and in their barbarous simplicity placed trees among their gods."

Accordingly, Tree and Serpent-worship prevailed from the Caspian Sea to the Baltic. Mr. Fergusson cites the testimony of Olaus Magnus that “the Poles worshipped their gods, Fire, Serpents, and Trees, in woods: and that these superstitions still lingered in remote parts of Norway and Wermelandia as late as the year 1555.” “It seems impossible,” he adds, “to doubt, that both Trees and Serpents were worshipped by the peasantry in Esthonia and Finland within the limits of the present century, and even then with all the characteristics it possessed when we first become acquainted with it."

This is important testimony, especially from one who does not admit the events of Paradise to have been by perversion the origin of Tree and Serpent-worship. According to Mr. Fergusson, the worship of “Fire, Serpents, and Trees, in woods,” was carried from the Caspian Sea to the remotest parts of Norway by one of the oldest routes of communication between the East and West.

But it has been shown above, that the worship of Fire, Serpents, and Trees, was a part of that Babylonian system of the worship of a false Messiah which was the source of the Pagan mythology of the whole world: and also, that this Babylonian system was indissolubly connected with reminiscences of the Cherubim of Eden's gate, and of Eve in the first state of innocence.

The inference is inevitable, that Tree and Serpent-worship was derived from perverted traditions of the events narrated in the first three chapters of Genesis.

Mr. Fergusson himself [Tree and Serpent Worship] considers that the Scandinavian “myth of the Yggdrasil ash is in the first place a reminiscence of the trees of fate and knowledge, in the garden of Eden.”

And in like manner he regards the Persian and Indian Homa tree as having had its origin in the same “myth as the Trees of Life and Knowledge which grew in Paradise."

But if the Trees of Paradise had their origin in nothing but a “myth,” is it to be believed that such a false and idle story would not only have been carried to the farthest regions of the world, but have formed the basis of the religious creed of every nation under heaven?

“In Gaul, or France, and Great Britain, Tree-worship existed among the Celts, as among the Germans, till their conversion to Christianity:” which is the same thing as to say that it prevailed from the Alps and the Danube to the farthest extremities of the British Isles.

With regard to Tree-worship in Africa, what has been already stated from the testimony of Bruce is quoted by Mr. Fergusson—that the Shangalla, an Abyssinian tribe, “worship various trees, serpents, the moon, planets, and stars in certain positions". “It is, however,” he adds, “on the West coast that the worship flourishes in all its pristine vigour.”

As regards America also, Mr. Fergusson quotes authorities which go to prove that both Serpent-worship and Tree-worship prevailed over the whole continent.

Nor is this all--but, in accordance with what has been advanced above on this subject, he states that Tree and Serpent worship was combined with Sun-worship. “The principal deity of the Aztec Pantheon seems Tezcatlipoca, or Tonacatlecoatl, literally the Sun-Serpent.”

“Muller," he adds, “finds traces of Tree-worship all over the continent of America, and generally in juxtaposition, if not in actual connexion, with that of the Serpent.”

Tracing the course of human migration eastwards, we find the same ideas and practices every where prevailing throughout the vast continent of Asia.

Mr. Fergusson’s testimony here also is important:—“Windischmann, who had probably rendered himself more familiar with the spirit of the Zend-Avesta than any other scholar, thus expresses himself on the subject. ‘Homa is the first of the trees planted by Ahura-Mazda (the great god of the Persians) in the fountain of life. He who drinks of its juice never dies. According to the Bundchesh, the Gogard or Gaskerena tree bears the Homa, which gives life and power, and imparts life at the resurrection'."

"In another place he says, 'From this it appears that the White Homa or the Tree Gokard is the Tree of Life whick grew in Paradise."-"The Soma (or Homa) was unquestionably the greatest and holiest offering of ancient Indian worship'."

Other authorities are here cited to show that Tree-worship prevailed from the banks of the Indus to China: that Serpent-worship was cultivated on the grandest scale in Cashmere, and extended southwards to Ceylon: and that in that island Tree-worship is still a custom of national importance. A "Bo Tree" sent from Buddh-gya, and planted there, has been reverenced as the chief and most important "numen," or deity of Ceylon for more than 2000 years, and is honoured to this day by the resort of thousands "to the sacred precincts within which it stands, to offer up those prayers for health and prosperity which are more likely to be answered if uttered in its presence. There is probably no older idol in the world, certainly none more venerated." 

Friday, January 5, 2018

Answering Questions on the NWT Bible, the word "Worship" and "Lord"


Question: In the New International Dictionary of the Bible (Editor J.D. Douglas & Merrill C Tenney) page 1070 under "worship" says to prostrate, do obeisance  In your (69 & 85) Kit when translating the word "worship" is translated "did obeisance" every time for Jesus, and the exact same word says worship toward Jehovah.
What happened to the word for word translation promise in the foreword of both books?
The fact is Jesus was worshipped as God many times according to the Gospel accounts, and he always accepted such worship as appropriate.
Jesus accepted worship from Thomas (John 20:28), the angels (Hebrews l:6)  the wise men (Matt 2:ll), a leper (Matt 8:2, a ruler (Matt 9:18), a blind man (John 9:38), an anonymous woman (Matt 15:25; Mary Magdalene (Matt 28:9, and his diciples (Matt 28:l7)  In the book of Rev, God the Father (4:l0) and Jesus Christ (5:ll-l4) are clearly portrayed as receiving the exact same worship.
Hebrew l:6 Jehovah said let all God's angels do obeisance to him (Now we know what that means)  And in Luke 4:8 Jesus said, "It is Jehovah your God you must worship and it is him alone you must render sacred service.
How do you explain this?
Now let's read Rom 14:11 Jehovah says "to me every knee will bend down and every tongue will make open knowledgement to God.  I think both of us will agree this is worship.  So let's read Phil. 2:10,ll.  Imagine that!!  It says the exact same thing about Jesus.
Your comments please.


Reply: Have you ever really bothered to check out the meanings of these words. We will start off the with the Hebrew equivalent, Shachah. Ex 34:14 says, " for thou shalt worship (shachah) no other god: for Jehovah, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God" ASV
However, this same word for worship, shachah [proskuneo, LXX], was also often used of mere men of honor (see Gen 23:7, 12; 33:3; 43:28; 1 Sam 24:8; Ruth 2:10; 1 Kings 1:31; 2 Kings 4:37; Esther 3:2, 5 etc.), and angels (Jos 5:14; Num 22:31; Gen 18:2; 19:1).
In the Greek, according to W.E. Vine's Expository Dictionary, PROSKUNEO means "to make obeisance, do reverence to...It is used of an act of homage or reverence to God (John 4:24)...to Christ (Matt 2:2)...to a man (Matt 18:26)...to the Dragon (Re. 13:4)...to the Beast (Rev 13:8)...the image of the Beast (Rev 14:11)...to demons (Rev 9:20)...to idols (Acts 7:43)."
Remember, the LXX uses this word when it comes to shachah. It simply means that the word does not hold the same connotations as it does today.
"Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel" Dan 2:46 KJV, RV, ASV
"And all the congregation blessed the Lord God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king." 1Chron 29:20 KJV, ASV
Here, king David is given the same worship as Jehovah.
Even the American Standard Version mentions at Matt. 2:2, "The Greek word denotes an act of reverence, whether paid to man (see chap. Matt. 18:26) or to God (see chap. Matt. 4:10)'" ?
So it is necessary for Bible versions to make a distinction, as they all do (see Matt 18:26).
Is the Kingdom Interlinear Translation discriminatory in its inconsistency. I checked this with other interlinears that I own. My NKJV/Majority Text has "obeisance" at Matt 18:26, but "worship" at Heb 1:6. My Marshall/Nestle Interlinear has the same thing in the same places. It appears that they, like the translators of the KIT gave "as literal a translation as possible" and "as nearly as possible word for word" renderings. (see forward KIT).
See also NEB, Young, Byington, NJB, Goodspeed, Newcome, REB, 20th Cent, Schonfield, Confraternity, Douay and Kleist&Lilly etc


Question: Also in Ephesians 4:5 it reads one Lord.  In Isaiah l0:33 Jehovah is the {true} Lord.  But in Luke 2:ll reads Jesus is {the} Lord. 16.  If there are two Lords why didn't they say "A" Lord in Luke 2:ll?  Ver 6 reads "one God", you have two.

Reply: No one here has 2 gods based on your meaning of "god", as those of my ilk are one of the few that actually recognize the Biblical use of the word "God."
Luke 2:11 OTI ETECQH UMIN SHMERON SWTHR OS ESTIN CRISTOS KURIOS EN POLEI DAUID
As you can see, there is actually no article here in the Greek by Lord (KURIOS), it is supplied by the translators of Bible versions (you will notice that the article "the" is often supplied in brackets).
As far as the OT goes, the scripture that is definitely applied to Christ (Psalm 110:1) uses the word adoni, a form of the word that is never used of YHWH, but only humans and angels.

As for the word Lord in the Greek, it is used (a) of an owner, as in Luke 19:33, cp. Matt. 20:8; Acts 16:16; Gal. 4:1; or of one who has the disposal of anything, as the Sabbath, Matt. 12:8; (b) of a master, i.e., one to whom service is due on any ground, Matt. 6:24; 24:50; Eph. 6:5; (c) of an Emperor or King, Acts 25:26; Rev. 17:14; (d) of idols, ironically, 1 Cor. 8:5, cp. Isa. 26:13; (e) as a title of respect addressed to a father, Matt. 21:30, a husband, 1 Pet. 3:6, a master, Matt. 13:27; Luke 13:8, a ruler, Matt. 27:63, an angel, Acts 10:4; Rev. 7:14; (f) and as a title of courtesy addressed to a stranger, John 12:21; 20:15; Acts 16:30.

The Bible has many references to a "lord and king" that refer to human kings. (See 1 Sam 24:8; 26:15, 17, 19; 29:8; 2 Sam. 2:7; 3:21; 4:8; 9:11; 13:33; 14:9 etc). And why not, as they sit on Jehovah's throne (1 Chron 29:23). Like Jesus, they were GIVEN authority.

But isn't the term used for both the Father and the Son?
Consider the following verses:
Rom. 15:6
"you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"

2 Cor. 1:3
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"

2 Cor. 11:31
"The God and Father of our Lord Jesus"

Eph. 1:3
"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"

Eph. 1:17
"...the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"

1 Pet. 1:3
"...the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"

These verses present a few problems:
God the Father is Lord. But when one Lord is the God of another who is also Lord, then they are not the same, or even equal.
If Jesus is subordinate to God only as to his "human nature," then this contradicts the above verses, for there Jesus, in his divine state, has someone who is God to him.

Question: Also it reads "One Father", Jesus is all eternal Father and Mighty God in Isaiah 9:6.  And in Isaiah l0:21 Jehovah is called a "Mighty God".  Imagine that!! They both are God, Lord, Father,  when Paul said there is only one.   In latter part of verse 6 reads "who is over all and through all and in all"  But if you read Matt 28:18 Jesus said "All" authority (not half) has been given me in Heaven and on the Earth.  Either you have one of each or you have a lot of contradictions.
Your comments please.


Reply: And you forget the optimum word here. It is the word GIVEN. Almighty God does not need to be GIVEN anything. By handing over all authority to Christ, he, as Michael, can oust Satan from the heavens (Rev 12:7-12).
"And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, Now is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night."
But he eventually hands it back to God, who is excepted from the word "ALL."
1 Cor 15:24-28 says, "Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father; after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For God has put all things in subjection under his feet. But when it says, All things are put in subjection under him, it is plain that he is excepted who put all things under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things unto him, that God may be everything to everyone." RSV

As for Isaiah 9:6, read how it is used in other Bibles:

"Wonder-Counsellor, Divine Champion, Father Ever, Captain of Peace." Byington
"A wonder of a counsellor, a divine hero, a father for all time, a peaceful prince." Moffatt
"in purpose wonderful, in battle God-like...." New English Bible
"Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty Hero, Eternal Father...."Revised English Bible
"great leader, time's father"...Fenton

Why, because this verse has an earlier reference to a human king, like King Hezekiah, the son of Ahaz; or to Hezekiah initially and Christ finally. Note what some from former years have said regarding this account:

"Hezekiah, who was very unlike his father Ahaz. This passage is acknowledged, not only by Christians, but by the Chaldee interpreter, to relate in the same manner, but in a more excellent sense, to the Messiah––(Annotationes ad vetus et Novum Testamentum, by Hugo Grotius, a Dutch Arminian, 1583-1645).

"In several places of his Expositions and Sermons, he [LUTHER] maintains that the epithets belong, not to the person of Christ, but to his work and office. He understands [ale; Strongs 410] in the sense of power or ability, citing for his authority Deut. Xxviii. 32, where, as in about four other places, the expression occurs of an action's being or not being "in the power of the hand,"––(Scripture Testimony to the Messiah, Third ed. Lond. 1837, 3 vol., by Dr. J.P. Smith [it should fairly be noted that Dr. Smith disapproves of Luther's rendering])

"The word la [ale] here used is applicable, not only to God, but to angels and men worthy of admiration. Whence it does not appear, that the Deity of Christ can be effectually gathered from this passage."––(apud Sandium, p. 118, SASBOUT [as quoted in Concession, by Wilson])

"The words of Isaiah, Deus fortis, "strong God," have been differently interpreted. It is evident, that the term God is in Hebrew applied figuratively to those who excel – to angels, heroes, and magistrates; and some render it here, not God, but brave or hero."––(apud Sandium, p. 118, Esromus Rudingerus [as quoted in Concessions, by Wilson])

"It is evident that la [ale] properly denotes strong, powerful, and is used in Ezek. Xxxi. 11, of king Nebuchadnezzar, who is called... "the mighty one of the heathen."––(Scholia in Vetus Testamentum. Lips. 1828-36, 6 vol, E.F.C. Rosenmuller [Prof. of the Arabic Language at Leipzig; d. 1836])

...and, do you really think both of them are the Father, as you have stated above? If you do, then you are a Sabellianist, not a trinitarian.

Question: While you are in the 28 Chapter read verse 9, then turn to Acts 2:38 and read.
Why didn't it say Jehovah?
There is something else that bothers me, that Rom l0:13.  Now read Acts 4:10-12, If both names are equally important 19.  Why are they not listed together?  Unless he is the same.-given name
Please comment.


Reply: Because Jesus was GIVEN a better name. "Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name." Php 2:9
Almighty God does not need to be exalted, he does not need to be given a name above all others.
You see, in the past, you can do things in a prophet's name (1 Ki 21:8) or in a king's name (1 Sa 25:9), but unlike these, including the angels, "he hath inherited a more excellent name than they." Heb 1:4
Jn 17:2 just as you gave him authority over all people, so that he may give eternal life to all you gave him. NAB
Jn 17:11 And now I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the world, while I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are. NAB
We don't need to know that Almighty God is better than the angels, for that is already understood. Almighty God does not need to inherit anything, for that is also understood.