Friday, June 8, 2018

John 1:1 in the Sahidic Coptic


The Sahidic Coptic at John 1:1 reads when transliterated:

(a) Hn te.houeite ne.f.shoop ngi p.shaje (b) auw p.shaje ne.f.shoop n.nahrm p.noute (c) auw ne.u.noute pe p.shaje

This translates literally to:

(a) In the beginning existed the word (b) and the word existed in the presence of the god (c) and a god was the word

Unlike Greek, the Coptic has an indefinite article ("a") and uses it at John 1:1c.

The word ne.u.noute (or neunoute) is divided into three parts: "ne" means "was," "u", or "ou" is the Coptic indefinite article (usually "a"), and "noute" is their word for "god."

We see this elsewhere in the Coptic in words like ourwme which means "a man" or ouchime which is "a woman."

The significance of this is that Coptic is the first language into which the New Testament was translated that had both a definite and an indefinite article, and if the Coptics understood the Greek text to say "the Word was God" they would have used the definite article. They did not have to use the indefinite article unless they understood the Greek to actually say "the word was a god."


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Thursday, June 7, 2018

Interesting Tidbits About the King James Bible

The KJV is arguably the greatest piece of English literature ever. Let's take a look at one example: "A vertuous woman reioyceth her husband, and he shall fulfill the yeeres of his life in peace." Ecclesiasticus 26:2  What is that you say? That scripture isn't in your copy of the KJV? Why is that? It is because the original KJV of 1611 had the apocrypha(books not canonized). And as you can see, the language is a little different from your copy. Here is another example from the book of Psalms: "That men may knowe, that thou, whose name alone is IEHOVAH, art the most high ouer all the earth."Psalmes LXXXIII:18  What does this mean? It means that the King James Version Bible has been revised thru the ages to meet the demands of a changing language.

How Many Revisions?
First, there were printer errors.
  • There was the Wicked Bible which omitted "not" from 7 of the 10 Commandments.
  • The Vinegar Bible with its parable of the vinegar
  • The Unrighteous Bible where the unrighteous inherit the kingdom
  • The Ears to Ear Bible and an assortment of others
Intentional Changes:
  • 1612
  • Early editions used either "he" or "she" at Ruth 3:15
  • 1613
  • 1616
  • In fact, between 1611 and 1644 there were 182 editions
  • 1629 edition omitted the Apocrypha
  • 1638 edition by Goad, Ward, Boyse and Mead
  • 1659 William Kilburne found 20,000 errors in 6 different editions made in the 1650's
  • 1660 marginal references introduced
  • 1683 Dr.Anthony Scargood added 7,250 references
  • 1727 thousands of errors were amended by the King's Printer
  • 1762 italics extended by Therold and Paris and modernized the language
  • 1769 extensive revision by B.Blayney
  • The 1795 edition(Murderers Bible) rendered Mark 7:27 as "Let the chidren first be killed" (instead of filled).
  • Blayney's edition became standard until....
  • 1873 the Cambridge Paragraph Bible edited by Scrivener
While the 1611 edition had, "Then cometh Judas" at Matthew 26:36, today's KJV has "Then cometh Jesus". Quite a remarkable difference!

King James Version Differences and Revisions
Passage A.V.  KJV  (1611) Current  KJV  (1850)
Genesis 19:21 concerning this thing concerning this thing also
Genesis 23:18 gates gate
Genesis 39:1 hand hands
Genesis 39:16 her lord his lord
Genesis 47:6 any man any men
Exodus 15:25 he made a statute he made for them a statute
Exodus 21:32 thirty shekels thirty shekels of silver
Exodus 23:13 names name
Exodus 35:29 hands hand
Leviticus 2:4 it shall be an unleavened cake it shall be unleavened cakes
Leviticus 10:14 sacrifice sacrifices
Leviticus 19:34 shall be as one born shall be unto you as one born
Leviticus 20:11 shall be put to death shall surely be put to death
Leviticus 25:23 were strangers are strangers
Leviticus 26:23 be reformed by these things be reformed by me by these things
Leviticus 26:40 the iniquity of their fathers their iniquity, 
and the iniquity of their fathers
Numbers 4:40 houses house
Numbers 7:55 charger of an hundred 
and thirty shekels		 charger of the weight of an hundred 
and thirty shekels
Deutnomy 5:29 keep my commandments keep all my commandments
Joshua 3:11 covenant, even the Lord covenant of the Lord
Joshua 7:14 households household
Ruth 3:15 and he went into the citie. and she went into the city.
1 Samuel 18:27 David arose, he and his men David arose and went, 
he and his men
1 Samuel 28:7 servant servants
2 Samuel 16:8 to thy mischief in thy mischief
2 Kings 11:10 in the temple. in the temple of the LORD.
2 Kings 23:21 this book of the Covenant the book of this covenant
1 Chron 7:5 were men of might were valiant men of might
1 Chron 11:15 of David to David
2 Chron 28:22 this his
Job 33:22 His soul draweth near Yea, his soul draweth near
Psalm 141:9 snare snares
Proverbs 7:21 With much fair speech With her much fair speech
Eccles 2:16 shall be forgotten shall all be forgotten
Sg of Solm 4:6 mountains mountain
Sg of Solm 5:12 water waters
Isaiah 34:11 The cormorant and the bittern But the cormorant and the bittern
Isaiah 49:13 heaven heavens
Isaiah 49:13 God the LORD
Isaiah 57:8 and made a covenant and made thee a covenant
Jeremiah 4:6 standards standard
Jeremiah 31:14 be satisfied with goodness be satisfied with my goodness
Jeremiah 31:18 thou art the Lord my God for thou art the Lord my God
Jeremiah 51:12 watchman watchmen
Jeremiah 51:30 their her
Ezekiel 6:8 that he may that ye may
Ezekiel 12:19 violence of them violence of all them
Ezekiel 24:5 him them
Ezekiel 24:7 poured it upon the ground poured it not upon the ground
Ezekiel 48:8 they ye
Daniel 3:15 the midst of a fiery furnace the midst of a burning fiery furnace
Daniel 12:13 the lot thy lot
Joel 3:13 the wickedness their wickedness
Amos 8:3 Temples temple
Zechariah 7:7 of the plain and the plain
Malachi 3:4 offerings offering
Matthew 12:23 Is this the son of David? Is not this the son of David?
Matthew 14:9 othes oath's
Matthew 16:16 Thou art Christ Thou art the Christ
Mark 6:26 othes oath's
John 11:3 sister sisters
John 12:22 told tell
John 15:20 the Lord his Lord
Acts 5:34 a doctor of law a doctor of the law
Romans 14:10 we shall all stand for we shall all stand
1 Corinth 10:28 The earth is the Lords for the earth is the Lord's
1 Corinth 12:28 helps in governments helps, governments
1 Corinth 15:6 And After
Philippians 4:6 request requests
2 Thessa 2:14 the Lord Jesus Christ our Lord Jesus Christ
1 Timothy 1:4 rather than edifying rather than godly edifying
2 Timothy 4:8 unto them also unto all them also
Hebrews 3:10 hearts heart
Hebrews 12:1 run with patience unto the race run with patience the race
1 John 5:12 he that hath not the Son, 
hath not life.		 he that hath not the Son of God
hath not life.
Revelation 13:6 dwelt dwell
2 Chron 33:19 [Cambridge  KJV  Editions]
sin		 [Oxford  KJV  Editions]
sins
Jeremiah 34:16 whom ye whom he

Do you understand these Scriptures from the KJV?
For who can eat, or who else can hasten hereunto, more than I? Eccl.2:25
Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing. Ps.5:6
Nevertheless even him [Solomon] did outlandish women cause to sin. Neh. 13:26
Solomon loved many strange women. 1Kings 11:1
Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof. Job 26:5
The noise thereof sheweth concerning it, the cattle also concerning the vapour. Job 36:33
Woe to them that...stay on horses. Is. 31:1; 10:20; 30:12; 50:12
The ships of Tarshish did sing of thee in thy market. Ez. 27:25
I trow not. Luke 17:9
He purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. John 15:2
We do you to wit of the grace of God. 2Cor. 8:1
I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified. 1Cor.4:4
Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels. 2Cor.6:12
Not to boast in another man's line of things made ready to our hand. 2Cor.10:16
The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd. Eccl.12:11
For some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol. 2Cor.8:7

Do You Know These Words in the KJV?
almug, algum, chode, charashim, chapt, earing, gat, habergeon, hosen, kab, ligure, leasing, maranatha, nard, neesed, pate, rabboni, raca, ring-staked, stacte, strake, sycamyne, thyme wood, trode, wimples, ouches, tatches, brigandine, ambassage, occurent, purtenance, bruit, fray, cracknels, nusings, mufflers, anathema, corban, talitha cumi, ephrata, aceldama, centurion, quarternion, sanctum sanctorum, let, wot, trow, sod and swaddling clothes.

Different Names for the same Person in the KJV
Sheth and Seth; Pua and Puah; Cis and Kish; Agar and Hagar; Jeremiah, Jeremias and Jeremie; Enos and Enosh; Henoch and Enoch; Jered and Jared; Noe and Noah; Jonah, Jona and Jonas; Jepthae and Jepthah; Balak and Balac; Sara and Sarah; Gidion and Gideon; Elijah and Elias; Kora and Core; Elisha and Eliseus; Hosea and Osee; Isaiah, Esaias and Esay; Hezekiah and Ezekiah; Zechariah and Zecharias; Judas, Judah, Juda and Jude; Zera, Zara and Zarah; Marcus and Mark; Lucas and Luke; Timothy and Timotheus.
  • dabhar('word' or 'thing') is rendered by 84 different English words.
  • panim('face') by 34 different English words.
  • sim('to set' or 'place') by 59 different English words
  • nasah('to lift up') by 46
  • abhar('to pass over') by 48
  • rabh('much' or 'many') by 44
  • tobh('good') by 41
  • shubh('to turn back') by 60
  • katargein('to make void) by 17
  • passover is translated Easter in Acts 12:4

Mythical Creatures in the KJV
Cockatrice
Isaiah 14:29 serpent-RSV   Snake-NWT
Isaiah 11:8   serpents-RSV & NWT
Isaiah 59:5   adders-RSV   snake NWT
Unicorn
Deut. 33:17   wild ox-RSV   wild bull-NWT
Psalms 22:21   wild oxen-RSV   wild bulls-NWT
Isaiah 34:7   wild oxen-RSV  wild bulls-NWT
Satyr
Isaiah 13:21   goat-shaped demon-NWT   wild goats[like demons]-Amplified Bible
Isaiah 34:14   goat-shaped demon-NWT   shaggy wild goat-Amplified Bible

Doctrinal Problems in the KJV
1John 5:7"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." Omitted by most other versions
1Timothy 3:16"God was manifest in the flesh"
                        "He who was revealed in the flesh" NASB, NWT, RSV etc
Revelation 1:11"I am the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" Omitted by most others
Matthew 5:22 "hellfire"    Should be "gehenna" NWT, Youngs Literal Translation
Psalms 16:10 "hell"   Should be "sheol" NWT, Youngs Literal Translation
Acts 2:27 "hell" Should be "hades" NWT, Youngs Literal Translation
2Peter 2:4 "hell" Should be "tartarus" NWT, Youngs Literal Translation
Headings at Psalm 93 and Isaiah 51 mention Christ.
The Divine Name "Jehovah" is used only at Exodus 6:3, Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4, but it is omitted everywhere else and replaced by LORD in capital letters.

Fast Facts on the KJV
  • The Greek text used for the King James Version, which is the Textus Receptus, took less than a year to produce by Erasmus.
  • The Received Text(Textus Receptus, TR) ...."was not based on early manuscripts, not reliably edited, and consequently not trustworthy." N. Geisler/W. Nix A General Introduction to the Bible
  • Since the KJV uses Elijah and Elias for the same person(see above), Mormon prophet Joseph Smith interestingly had a vision of both(Doctrine and Covenants 110:12-16)!
  • King James was a flaming homosexual with a preference for boys.
  • There are over 30 different editions of the Textus Receptus(TR) and none are 100% identical.
  • "The King James translators knew Greek less well than they knew Latin so they constantly relied on the Latin to get themselves through the Greek."...Dr. Wallace
  • The original KJV had a calendar of annual Holy days which all believers were to follow such as: Purification of the virgin Mary, annunciation of our Lady, Innocents day, etc..
  • In 1851 the American Bible Society compared six different editions of the King James Bible and discovered over 24,000 variations between the editions of the same Bible translation! How could there be an inerrant King James Bible when even the different editions of the King James Bible had ten's of thousands of variant readings!?
  • Erasmus, the originator of the so-called "inerrant" Greek text later to be called the "Textus Receptus" dedicated his work to Pope Leo X
  • The teaching that the King James translators had a perfect Greek text is denied by the translators themselves. In the original edition of 1611 are marginal notes as follows: Note on Luke 17:36, "This 36th verse is wanting in most of the Greek copies." Note on Acts 25:6 where their text reads: "When he had tarried among them more than ten days," they inserted the following marginal note: "or, as some copies read, 'no more than eight or ten days.'"
  • There are no paragraph marks after Acts 20:36
  • Some believe the translators were influenced by the Socinians (Unitarians) because of their referring to the holy spirit as an "it" (John 1:32; Romans 8:16, 26; I Peter 1:11). See Emery H. Bancroft, CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY, [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1961; revised edition], pp. 147-8)
Fun with the KJV
Does anyone know that the K.J version was written in 1610.
Did you know Shakespere was 46 at the time? Connection?
Well, in Psalms 46, the 46th word is shake, from the end of the scripture, ignore Selah, count
backwards 46 words and the word is "spear".
Also, the 14th word is "will". Go to the rear and count back to words 32 and 31(14+32=46) and
get I am. Put them all together and get his signature,
"Will-I am Shake-spear.
Then check any decent encyclopedia and see where King James summoned the greatest writers
of the day to "translate" the Word.
(In all fairness to the above submission, Will probably used the Geneva Bible)
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Wednesday, June 6, 2018

Sakae Kubo and Walter Specht on "only-begotten" and the New World Translation


I have earlier talked about Sakae Kubo and Walter Specht's book So Many Versions as to how they made a monumental blunder by parroting Walter Martin's idiotic claim that "A definite predicate noun when it precedes the verb NEVER takes an article in Greek."

They didn't stop there. They continued with the NWT's rendering of John 1:18:

"No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god who is in the bosom position with the Father is the one that has explained him." NWT

They write: What the NWT translators have done with John 1:18 is very interesting. They could have selected two other MS readings, 'the only one' and 'the only son of God,' but they steadfastly
kept the text they were following and translated it 'the only begotten god.'"

Reply: Why on earth would you translate "the only one" which would require the text to read MONOS hEIS (which it doesn't)? I also am not aware of any manuscript that has both hUIOS (son) and QEOS (god) in this one verse, so it would be silly to translate "the only son of God."

They further write: The word for "only begotten" probably should be translated "only"

Reply: The Greek already has a word for "only," it is MONOS. In the New Testament, monogenes is used in a filial way, one that is used for offspring...see Thayers Greek Lexicon & BAGD. In fact the BAGD states that it could be analogous to prototokos (firstborn). There are about 58 proper names in Greek built on the "genes" stem, like Diogenes, which means "born of Zeus" or Hermogenes ("born of Hermes). These are names given by parents to their offspring that represents birth. (See https://www.behindthename.com/names/usage/ancient-greek) There are also words like theogenes which means "born of God." Though there are exceptions, "the word monogenes is used most basically and frequently in contexts having to do with biological offspring." Charles Lee Irons (PhD, Fuller Theological Seminary)

They further write: and there is absolutely no reason for not translating theos as "God."

Reply: The NWT did. Unless Kubo and Specht are referring to capitalization...they didn't specify. The original ancient Greek mss wrote only in capitals. For instance, in the ancient uncial script, Satan is called, "OQEOSTOUAIWNOS/THE GOD OF THE AGE." Yet, most Bibles, like the NASB, HCSB, Smith & Goodspeed will not capitalize theos/god here, even though it has the definite article. In uncial script, John 1:18 is written as follows (and without spaces): QEONOUDEISEWRAKENPWPOTEMONOGENHSQEOSOWNEISTONKOLPONTOUPATROSEKEINOSEXHGHSATO. Since this is the case, the translator is left to decide what words to capitalize.

Now this brings me to their review of the New American Standard Bible where they write: "John 1:18 follows Nestle (the Greek Text of the NASB) in reading 'the only-begotten God'..." They did not deride this translation in the NASB, they didn't insist that they should have "selected two other MS readings, 'the only one' and 'the only son of God.'" They did not include that "'only begotten' probably should be translated 'only'" Why? Because the NASB is a mainstream establishment Swamp Bible. The NASB meets certain expectations and has the traditional renderings that is demanded from Establishment Christianity. It is a Bible that is "safe" for Protestants. Not necessarily more accurate...just safe.

See also Sakae Kubo, Walter Specht & Byington's Bible in Living English

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Tuesday, June 5, 2018

Burned for Denying the Deity of Christ


Burning The World's Benefactors As Infidels by Kersey Graves 1879

 It [is often] perceived, that the class of people usually stigmatized as infidels are the true exemplars in practical morality, and the true benefactors of society. And Christian countries owe them a debt of
gratitude for all the reforms and improvements which have proved sueh signal blessings to society within the last few hundred years, and for their own elevation out of the groveling ignorance of barbarism into the glorious sunlight of civilization. What withering self-reproach, what shameful mortification and self-condemnation, they ought therefore to feel in view of having committed so many of them to the flames, or otherwise maltreated and killed them! For, according to the above Christian testimonies, they were the world's real benefactors; and the following list will show that those victims perished at the hands of Christians as infidel martyrs: In 1511 Herman of Ryswick was
burned for heresy; in 1546 Aonius Polearius was hung, and then burned for skepticism; in 1574 Geofroi Vallie was burned for publishing a Heretical book; In 1546 Stephen Dolet, a printer and bookseller, was burned at Paris for atheism; in 1579 Matthew Hamont had his ears cut off, and was then burned alive, in England, for denying that Christ is God; in 1583 John Lewes was burned at Norwich, England for "denying the Godhead of Christ;" in 1589 Francis Kett, a member of a college in Cambridge, Eng., was burned for holding "divers detestable opinions against Christ, our Savior;" In 1611 Bartholomew Legate was burned to ashes at Smithfleld for denying that Christ was God; in 1644 Edward Wightman was burned at Litchfield for denying the divinity of Christ; in 1619 Lucilio Vanini, an Italian, was burned for atheistical opinions; in 1574 John Gonganelle was poisoned for his infidelity by the Holy Sacrament; in 1629 Alexander Leighton had his nose slit and his ears cut off, and was imprisoned for eleven years for publishing a work against miracles. To make the matter short, without extending the list, it has been estimated that forty thousand perished at the hands of Christians in forty years for infidelity, heresy, or other opinions deemed unsound by orthodox! And Thus it will be perceived that infidelity has had its martyrs as well as Christianity; and that
Christians, in putting these men to death, were robbing the world (according to "The New-York Evangelist") of its real benefactors. Oh, shame! Christianity, where is thy blush?

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Monday, June 4, 2018

And the Word was a god: Conversations on the Most Disputed Text in the New Testament - John 1:1


And the Word was a god: Conversations on the Most Disputed Text in the New Testament - John 1:1 by Heinz Schmitz

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"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." King James Version/Douay-Rheims (God here is Definite)

"In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was divine." Goodspeed/Moffatt (divine here is Qualitative)

"In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god." New World Translation/Abner Kneeland (god here is indefinite)

It is this last translation that has garnered more invective than most others, and it is the one that I will be focusing on in this book.

This book has 35 chapters, There may be some repetitiveness as similar arguments are used by different authors so I beg your forgiveness and patience, but I promise there is much to digest in this book.

Table of Contents:

Introduction

Chapter 1: Simpson on "the Word was a god."

Chapter 2: The Word was a god, and Origen, by William Allen 1890

Chapter 3: Plato, Philo, and Jesus as "a God" by Paul Wernle 1904

Chapter 4: The Word was with God and Polytheism, by Edmund Law 1808

Chapter 5: Using Acts 28:4 to Understand How to Translate John 1:1 in the Greek

Chapter 6: Trinitarianism and Unitarianism in the Early Church by Frederick A. Farley 1860

Chapter 7: And the Logos was a god, by John Samuel Thompson 1828

Chapter 8: An Early Christian Look at the Word "God."

Chapter 9: And the Word was a God by Raja Ram Mohun Roy 1887

Chapter 10: Justin Martyr on the Logos and the Trinity Doctrine By Alvan Lamson 1865

Chapter 11: and the word was (a) God;” or (a) god; or (a) divine being. 1903 Article in Herald of Gospel Liberty

Chapter 12: Is the Personified Wisdom (Jesus) Eternal? by Heinz Schmitz

Chapter 13: John denies the Absolute Deity of the Word, by John Relly Beard D.D. 1857

Chapter 14: The Origin of the Doctrine of the Trinity in the Church

Chapter 15: Jesus Christ a god, article in Manford's Magazine 1887

Chapter 16: The Evolution of the Trinity Doctrine By Minot J. Savage

Chapter 17: What Writers of the Past Have Said of the Logos at John 1:1

Chapter 18: Philo, and the Logos as the Second God, by Kenneth Sylvan Guthrie 1899

Chapter 19: Robert Countess and the Translation of QEOS in the New World Translation - Is the NWT Inconsistent in its use of theos?

Chapter 20: Clement of Alexandria on the Inferiority of the Son By Alvan Lamson 1865

Chapter 21: ...and the word was a God by William McGirr 1854

Chapter 22: Adding the Indefinite Article at John 10:33 and Philippians 2:6

Chapter 23: John 1:1, and the Word was a God, by Charles Voysey 1871

Chapter 24: The LOGOS as the Angel of Jehovah, by Ernst Wilhelm Hengstenberg

Chapter 25: The Greek Definite Article, John 1:1, and the Word was a God by James Stark M.D.

Chapter 26: Origen's Subordinationist Trinity By Alvan Lamson 1865

Chapter 27: "...and the Word was LIKE God?"

Chapter 28: I and My Father are One by Winthrop Bailey 1822

Chapter 29: A Definite Predicate Noun When it Precedes the Verb NEVER takes an Article in Greek?!

Chapter 30: Quotes on John 1:1

Chapter 31: Proofs that Christ was NOT God By Hugh Hutton Stannus 1899

Chapter 32: John 1:1 as a Forgery In Translation

Chapter 33: What is Trinitarianism? By William Hamilton Drummond 1831

Chapter 34: Quotes on John 1:1 (same as chapter 30)

Chapter 35: Justin Martyr on Jesus as a Second God, by Alvan Lamson 1865

Chapter 36: Alternative English Translations of John 1:1

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Sunday, June 3, 2018

BDAG Lexicon on EGW EIMI (John 8:58)


BDAG page 283d – To establish identity the formula EGW EIMI is oft. used in the gospels (corresp. to Hebr. ANI HU Dt 32:39; Is 43:10), in such a way that the predicate must be understood fr. The context: Mt 14:27; Mk 6:50; 13:6; 14:62 Lk 22:70; J 4:26; 6:20; 8:24, 28; 13:19; 18:5f and oft.; s. on EGW – In a question MHTI EGW EIMI; surely it is not I? Mt 26:22,25.

EGW in BDAG 275a – EGW EIMI it is I (in contrast to others) Mt 14:27; Lk 24:39; J 6:20; I am the man 9:9; w. strong emphasis: I am the one (i.e. the Messiah) Mk 13:6; Lk 21:8; J 8:24, 28; cp. Vs 58.
… --On J 8:58 s. EFreed, JSNT 17,'83

What does the JSNT say?

EFreed, JSNT 17– "I should suggest, rather, that the meaning of the sentence in the mind of the writer was: "Before Abraham was, I, the Christ, the Son of God, existed."
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Friday, June 1, 2018

In the Name of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit


Claim: While the Bible does not use the term "Trinity," the idea is clearly there. For example, Jesus directed that people be baptized "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

Reply: As for Matthew 28:19, 20 since when is being baptized "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," supposed to be the same as saying that they are of the same substance and essence?

McClintock and Strong's Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, though advocating the Trinity doctrine, acknowledges regarding Matthew 28:18-20: "This text, however, taken by itself, would not prove decisively either the personality of the three subjects mentioned, or their equality or divinity." (1981 reprint, Vol. X, p. 552)

Why?

Let us look at one reason.

Using a singular form of NAME does not necessarily denote singularity.

Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them: and blessed them, and called their NAME Adam, in the day when they were created."

Here two distinct and separate individuals are called by one NAME.

Genesis 48:6 "And thy issue, that thou begettest after them, shall be thine; they shall be called after the name of their brethren in their inheritance." All the brothers had
different names although the text represents that by the singular, "name".

It is interesting that the NIV and NEB distributes the term by translating it "names".

Genesis 48:16: "The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a mulititude in the midst of the earth."

Did Abraham and Isaac have the same name? Clearly, the singular term here "name" is used in a distributive sense.

Mark 5:9: "Then Jesus asked him, ‘What is your name?’ ‘My name is Legion,’ he replied, ‘For we are many.’" In this case one name was given to a plural number of distinct demons.

The Bible clearly distinguishes between the name of the Father and the name of the Son.
Proverbs 30:4 (NIV): "Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is HIS NAME, AND THE NAME OF HIS SON? Tell me if you know!"

Revelation 14:1 (NIV): "Then I looked, and theme before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had HIS NAME AND HIS FATHER’S NAME written on their foreheads." It is quite obvious that the Father has one name and that the Son has another.

To look for anything else in Matt 28:19 also ignores the "authority" that is placed within the lexical range of ONOMA itself.

If simply mentioning the 3 together ensures triunity, then God, and the Son and the angels must be some mysterious triad, as they are mentioned together more often,

"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works." Matthew 16:27. See also Matt 18:10,11; Matt 24:36; Mk 8:38; Mk 13:32; Luk 9:26; 12:8; Jn1:51; 1Cor 4:9, 10; 1Tim:21; Heb 1:6; Heb 2:9; 1Pet 3:22; Rev 14: 21,22.

..or even Abraham, Isaac and Jacob:

"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." Exodus 6:3 KJV. See also Gen 50:24; Ex 2:24; 3:6, 15,16; 4:5; 6:3, 8; 33:1; Lev 26:42; Num 32:11; Deut 1:8; 6:10; 9:5, 27; 29:13; 2Kings 13:23; Jer 33:26; etc.
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